tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post4009096644588946683..comments2024-03-28T04:54:09.797+00:00Comments on The Hook - Leinster Hockey's Only blog: Ask Ray... week fourStephen Findlaterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12118625126159007197noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-319176974360815992009-03-13T14:29:00.000+00:002009-03-13T14:29:00.000+00:00As a green supporter of the wonderful game of hock...As a green supporter of the wonderful game of hockey. The relationship between umpire and player is better than soccer, but not up there with rugby. Its something both umpire and player need to work on, highlighted by the comments on this blog/ask the umpire section that show umpiring decisions are both technical/interpretation. Umpires and players need to accept each others mistakes (within Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-27785234217522537492009-03-13T01:21:00.000+00:002009-03-13T01:21:00.000+00:00Well done to Ray for bringing up the problem of ab...Well done to Ray for bringing up the problem of abusive supporters.It can be really bad at two particular clubs,such a shame as both have contributed so much to Irish hockey over the years and have set the highest standards in previous years (even decades).But like modern society standards slip,what a shame,and of course players hear these comments and react accordingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-20142932333606340702009-03-12T20:22:00.000+00:002009-03-12T20:22:00.000+00:00I definitely agree that women and treated unfairly...I definitely agree that women and treated unfairly by some umpires. I've been carded for stupid things in comparison to the abuse at some of the men's matches. <BR/>I take it we're not allowed to mention the one team that are awful to all umpires and who often are in control of umpires?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-23153081108961853112009-03-12T19:53:00.000+00:002009-03-12T19:53:00.000+00:00Green card for the captain? I know he's the one re...Green card for the captain? I know he's the one responsable for the rest of the team, but surely the person making to offence should be given the green card?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-48872126836325608962009-03-12T18:08:00.000+00:002009-03-12T18:08:00.000+00:00I think Ray is spot on with his point on all of us...I think Ray is spot on with his point on all of us taking responsibiity. I find myself abusing umpires from the stands when not on the pitch. Each one of us should take a look at ourselves first.<BR/><BR/>There is definitely a problem with specific groups of spectators constantly hurling abuse at certain games. It has to be addressed formally.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Ray could do a follow up in what Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-829420271640018092009-03-12T17:17:00.000+00:002009-03-12T17:17:00.000+00:00What is the rule, if any, regarding umpires abusin...What is the rule, if any, regarding umpires abusing players?<BR/><BR/>Are umpires allowed to use abusive language at players and spectators on the sidline?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-34819101925779136822009-03-12T15:07:00.000+00:002009-03-12T15:07:00.000+00:00From the 1st of May 2009 the auto pass will be par...From the 1st of May 2009 the auto pass will be part of the rules of Hockey across all levels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-54177359470376916112009-03-12T14:37:00.000+00:002009-03-12T14:37:00.000+00:00Goor point re autopass. Whats the story with it at...Goor point re autopass. Whats the story with it at the moment, is it true that the leinster league will use the rule next season. I believe it should be brought in through all levels of the game too. It will make the game a far better spectator sport as many of my friends who have come to games, but dont know the rules fully are often left frustrated at the amount of stoppages for reasons they Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-730076477595091982009-03-12T13:49:00.000+00:002009-03-12T13:49:00.000+00:00Ah yes consistency. The holy grail. Anonymous 9....Ah yes consistency. The holy grail. Anonymous 9.55am states that "it's not always possible for an umpire to make the correct decision, but as long as he makes the same call each time a given situation arises for both teams then he will avoid a lot of hassle"<BR/><BR/>What happens in the moments between decisions that the umpire realises that he got the first one wrong? To say that he should Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-40532496698357916632009-03-12T13:23:00.000+00:002009-03-12T13:23:00.000+00:00It really is all about geting the decision right m...It really is all about geting the decision right more often., your going to have guys who question everything, even when its obvious. thats just the nature of the beast. Hockey and Cricket and Rugby have strong respect for the Ref/umpire and thsi has to continue. In Hockey, the top teams are leting this slip and it needs to be stamped out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-37279131917610788982009-03-12T12:38:00.000+00:002009-03-12T12:38:00.000+00:00I would like to see some equality between the men'...I would like to see some equality between the men's and women's game. My experience is that women are expected to be completely mute and are carded for asking genuine questions like "what was that for?" while men are able to roar abuse at the umpires without a whistle even being blown. Of course players should not pressure umpires in an effort to get "a few big decisions" later on the game but Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-32614199659899799732009-03-12T12:37:00.000+00:002009-03-12T12:37:00.000+00:00yes but there are certain players in these clubs w...yes but there are certain players in these clubs who EVERYONE know even the umpires will know them and yet nothing is done about it. Be it mouthing or diving etc. every player should be treated the exact same way in every exact same predicament no matter who you are. And as for umpires making rash decisions i do believe Last sundays match PW v Glenanne says it all -quote "you are being punished Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-31867007638658932522009-03-12T12:33:00.000+00:002009-03-12T12:33:00.000+00:00Maybe if umpires were more consistent in their dec...Maybe if umpires were more consistent in their decisions and were generally better and fair they wouldn't receive such abuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-205080114718328222009-03-12T12:19:00.000+00:002009-03-12T12:19:00.000+00:00With Mick, I think it was a case that he was just ...With Mick, I think it was a case that he was just glad to be only getting a green card!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-78305171567204570892009-03-12T11:57:00.000+00:002009-03-12T11:57:00.000+00:00There are a few clubs now who constantly question ...There are a few clubs now who constantly question umpires decisions even when they know the umpire is correct. It is seen as a coordinated effort to pressure the umpire into giving them a few big decisions later on in the game. You also see the same teams getting a number of players to question the umpire at the same time but refrain from using foul language as another method of putting pressure Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-906192221776214442009-03-12T10:09:00.000+00:002009-03-12T10:09:00.000+00:00Thanks Ray,I've always been very proud of the high...Thanks Ray,<BR/><BR/>I've always been very proud of the high level of respect (relatively) that hockey players show toward umpires, when compared to other sports... soccer, gaelic etc.<BR/><BR/>I hope this continues and if we get the impression that standards are slipping, then we need to take action. <BR/><BR/>Hockey is a great family sport played and watched by all from 8 to 80... top players Quesohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14635506694271802800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-73200617317779391462009-03-12T09:55:00.000+00:002009-03-12T09:55:00.000+00:00I think the look of sheer confusion on Mick's face...I think the look of sheer confusion on Mick's face sums the whole thing up!!!<BR/>I think the single biggest thing that players and spectators want to see is consistency in umpiring. Not erratic decision making that can incense and frustrate players. I understand that it's not always possible for an umpire to make the correct decision, but as long as he makes the same call each time a given Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com