tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post7872344385880694944..comments2024-03-28T04:54:09.797+00:00Comments on The Hook - Leinster Hockey's Only blog: Ask Ray... about dangerous overheadsStephen Findlaterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12118625126159007197noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-78242144765446155352009-12-04T16:02:44.029+00:002009-12-04T16:02:44.029+00:00It is dangerous play to run to block an overhead h...It is dangerous play to run to block an overhead head first !!! Players do this deliberately to seek a free also, and they should not be rewarded for stupidity or else they will be encouraged to run in at every opportunity. <br /><br />The 5m "rule" is not a rule but a suggestion based on assessment of danger. it also depends on the pace and angle a player arrives in at . <br /><br />5 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-73820116602486195592009-12-04T14:38:18.999+00:002009-12-04T14:38:18.999+00:00I agree. Could this rule be explained to all umpir...I agree. Could this rule be explained to all umpires??? In our match (ladies) last weekend a ball was sent by the right back well over the heads of all players and landed about 10 metres in space beyond the head of the nearest player and a free was given back where the overhead had been thrown! Perfectly executed overhead, showing skill and strength with and no danger whatsoever and the free was Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-40367943885948860052009-12-04T11:40:24.939+00:002009-12-04T11:40:24.939+00:00Speak for yourself 10.00!!Speak for yourself 10.00!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-44665111017541068742009-12-04T09:57:04.457+00:002009-12-04T09:57:04.457+00:00Ray, you are so wise. Do you think that there woul...Ray, you are so wise. Do you think that there would ever be a time when umpires might be willing to look at video of their performances and maybe have it critiqued by someone such as yourself? How do umpires improve? They don't have coaches are anyone helping them and they don't get to see their mistakes or their successes. I think it would be great for someone like you to be deployed to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-87415626220052334322009-12-04T08:00:38.911+00:002009-12-04T08:00:38.911+00:005.32- how do you challenge for the ball without mo...5.32- how do you challenge for the ball without moving towards the ball? and I don't think many people want to control a hockey ball with their head or testiclesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-19548374397702072242009-12-03T22:56:07.072+00:002009-12-03T22:56:07.072+00:00Have you even seen Brendan Carr from Glenanne laun...Have you even seen Brendan Carr from Glenanne launch a ball into the air. He once hit a BMI aircraft while playaing at ALSAA. His technique is admired across the world by hockey players and also the designers of missile systems. <br /><br />:)<br /><br />Mike GreenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-44965827781886437042009-12-03T17:32:24.705+00:002009-12-03T17:32:24.705+00:005 meters in the direction the ball has traveled in...5 meters in the direction the ball has traveled in. This does not mean if you are now 4 meters from the thrower he can't throw it anymore.<br />Height also has to be taken into consideration. Otherwise we'd see every overhead in from a free given as a free hit attack. Thats clearly not going to happen. If you are in the line of the ball, then it should be a free to the attack, otherwise Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-58583839009680818202009-12-03T16:08:44.550+00:002009-12-03T16:08:44.550+00:003:37 hes talking about charging down the player ta...3:37 hes talking about charging down the player taking the overhead and gettin the ball in the face on the way up.<br /><br />The issue seems to be that the rule not set in stone because it is left to the discretion of the umpire as to what a 'safe distance' is to get the ball up. In this case Ray says 5m but that is his opinion, not the official rules. <br />Also as he says about Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-3829783900407302662009-12-03T15:37:38.317+00:002009-12-03T15:37:38.317+00:002.45pm I think you just proved Rays point! If in d...2.45pm I think you just proved Rays point! If in doubt about who was there first the umpire always has to give it against the team that played the ball initially. its not a joke...its the rules!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-37523512745407704372009-12-03T15:28:08.651+00:002009-12-03T15:28:08.651+00:00Ray stated that he "would suggest a minimum o...Ray stated that he "would suggest a minimum of five metres away in the line of the ball as it goes up". <br />If player A is 5m away before a free is taken, then moves towards the ball on player B's first touch. should players A get a free everytime as he is obviously less than 5m away when player B puts the ball into the air?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-51672074423040707412009-12-03T14:45:17.238+00:002009-12-03T14:45:17.238+00:00'Just a query for 1) The way up:
You're a...'Just a query for 1) The way up:<br /><br />You're an attacker. You're charging a defender executing an overhead from a free hit/hit out. You are 5m away.<br /><br />By the time the ball actually leaves the defenders stick and gets airbourne, you are close enough to have it whiz past your head.<br /><br />At what distance are you close enough for this to be considered a free in for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-81691660799604264202009-12-03T13:56:08.391+00:002009-12-03T13:56:08.391+00:0012:58 you're obviously a frustrated striker!! ...12:58 you're obviously a frustrated striker!! While you're at it will you send it to every player in Leinster so people dont think ownership comes from calling "mine". <br />Afterall that did go out with the indians!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-51387246119156369422009-12-03T13:20:44.288+00:002009-12-03T13:20:44.288+00:00Just a query for 1) The way up:
You're an att...Just a query for 1) The way up:<br /><br />You're an attacker. You're charging a defender executing an overhead from a free hit/hit out. You are 5m away.<br /><br />By the time the ball actually leaves the defenders stick and gets airbourne, you are close enough to have it whiz past your head.<br /><br />At what distance are you close enough for this to be considered a free in for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-4144288983580986862009-12-03T12:58:11.180+00:002009-12-03T12:58:11.180+00:00Could Ray's response be mailed to all Leinster...Could Ray's response be mailed to all Leinster Branch umpires? The point the NOBODY has the right to a dropping ball is very definately not played as such by umpires, who the majority of the time, give automatic ownership to the defenders (which as an attacker is REALLY annoying!!!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2147439334930274041.post-86369555790096372262009-12-03T12:28:44.494+00:002009-12-03T12:28:44.494+00:00Great response RayGreat response RayQuesohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14635506694271802800noreply@blogger.com