The Management Committee of the LBIHA states that they “have considered various suggestions and requests concerning the completion of the Leinster Senior Division 1 fixtures and determined:
“It is the decision of the Management Committee that the Leinster Division 1 season shall terminate on week 28 as originally scheduled.
“The matches originally planned for Division 1 on 20 March 2010 will take place simultaneously on 21 March 2010.
“While appreciating the demands on clubs and squads if was felt that to defer or extend the closing date could disadvantage some clubs particularly where the final position secured in the league determines qualification for the IHL.”
The confirmation of this deadline for league completion leaves a number of clubs under pressure to finish their campaigns with Glenanne the most affected, needing to play five games in ten days, while Three Rock have four fixtures to fulfill in that same timeframe.
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Good to see the Leintser Branche is taking a decision. Unfortunately it is not very fair to all the teams.
After division 2, division 1 is also getting a joke.
This has nothing to do with hockey!!
Bad decision, I heard Glenanne have to play 5 games in 10 days, Glenanne have had a good run in all cups so far this season. Not fair to punish them because of this.
The league started last September and now some teams have 10 days to play nearly half their league campaign.
garantee that tonights, rovers v glens match will be called off due to ice. glens will be f#cked if that happens
I don't see any problem with this decision, the two teams that were most affected by the Senior Irish team competitions this season were Pembroke and Glenanne. Both of them had to re-schedule a few matches, it just seems Pembroke were proactive in this regard and Glenns were not.
I am not sure why TRR are in this situation as themselves and UCD had played (correct me if I am wrong) 11 matches by mid January.
Unfortunately the LB have no choice on this, 27/03 is Interpros, 03/04 is Easter and 10/04 is IJC then it is IHL/ISC for the remaining 5 weeks until 15/05. Clubs have known since the start of the year to get games finished by next weekend so only have themsleves to blame for the back log.
and then then the majority of players from Glenanne, Pembroke, Corinthians, Monkstown and Three Rock will have three weeks off until their next IHL games, which will define their season. Seems fair to me...
Another Joke by the branch..
Some clubs thought that there season was over on the sat 20th march, had planned social events as a team to finish the season off in a good way, to now find out just 10 days before that now we are playing on the sunday!!
Good that they came together to actually make a decesion but not fair too all clubs..
Also running the games at same time, prob not possible what with some clubs not having the use of there pitch all day on sundays...
Disgruntled Clontarf HC Player
Dont understand why you let this constant criticism of the branch(without them there would be no structure etc) and not allow anything to be posted about such people as umpires.
Regarding the Clontarf persons comment, the branch notified every club of change from sat to sun on the 23rd Feb so think everyone should of been aware of this for nearly 4 weeks before game which i think is fair enough.
sorry, but Pembroke did their very best to get all their games played midweek, Sundays etc and they were still in all competitions.
Glenanne could have done the same thing, but didn't...
Look back on this blog and see all the midweek games that Pembroke played after the World Cup Qualifiers and compare them to Glenannes...
There is your answer....
Just crazy, Glenanne havent a hope of winning the league now.
I assume glenanne where active in trying to rearrange games, it does take two sides to agree on any new dates for refixs.
cliff
To Clontarf Supporter tell the lads to go out and celebrate their season anyway they might play better on the Sunday against us CHC
Have to agree with the comments supporting PW, if they were able to play most of their games I can't understand why Glenanne have anything to complain about.
All this whining and moaning about the branch needing to hold peoples hands is pretty pathetic. There are only so many weeks in a year and the fixture list is full and available for all to see.
One simple thing the branch could do this year is relegate 1 team from division 1 with no team getting promoted from div 2.
This would reduce the games in div 1 by a small amount and increase the amount of teams in division 2.
Glenanne did try arrange a lot of the matches, but for one reason or another they couldn't, Also had longer runs in the nevile cup and ISC, then Pembroke, so less free weekends. I agree with Disgruntled Clontarf HC Player. We had plans for a party for the saturday 20th and only found out the other day.. NOT IN FEB
Glens have been found out here, they were banking on an extension so they could spread the games out, the branches refusal to play ball as resulted in their lack of effort to arrange matches after the WCQ's coming back to bite them. Congrats to the Branch for sticking to their guns.
Look whatever about playing midweek or not in the past, or whether PW got games played is totally irrelevant.
It is totally unfair to ask players to play 5 games in 10 days and then expect these players to go and represent the Leinster branch in the interpros...
Seriously I think there is something wrong with these people. This is totally ridiculous.
In my opinion the branch are too stubborn to change these fixtures.
They are not looking after the players interests at all.
I will bet that at least two of the players asked to play this amount of games will come up with an injury and will have to withdraw from the interpros.
For all the professionalism that is claimed to be in this sport...I don't see it...
Now that they(the branch) have staked their claim on when the league finishes....
If games get called off due to bad weather over the next 2 weeks(very possible considering its snowing in mainland Europe) when will they be played...
Question; If Glenanne were to throw the rest of the league games and concentrate on ISC and IHL, do you think branch would be annoyed.
It would effect IHL placings(ie. YMCA) and ultimately who wins the league. But I argue with such demands would this not be a better option and to concentrate on EHL status.
If I was Glenanne coach I would think about it...
have to say that this is one of those rare occations where the L.B has acted properly. Glens have only themselves to blame.
There may now be problems in finding pitch availability for the time given by the Branch as many clubs run Colts on a Sunday and often will rent their pitches out on a Sunday too when they know it is not needed for hockey.
Therefore some logistical issues may arise given the short notice - (I can confirm Clontarf were only informed of this yesterday, 9th March, by email and not on the 23rd Feb as suggested by 1.46pm)
what if a pitch is unavailable for the time at which the branch decree we must play?
Ciaran (Clontarf HC)
It is not only Glenanne that will be affected by this, I think alot of you are not thinking this through!!
- IHL placings
- Leinster interpro teams - Senior/U-21
- TRR
- Corthians - also have mills cup
- PW - also have mills cup and ehl weekend after interpros...hope no injuries before then...
- Monkstown
- YMCA - this could definately cause them their IHL place
Got to outside of just Glenanne
Another punter in clontarf claiming he wasnt told until recently...id suggest you get on to ur secretary and ask him when he received email notification of change from branch.
To be fair 5.59, it appears you're not involved in the running of Clontarf so i'd be surprised if you had all the facts.
Ciaran
(Clontarf HC).
People - the report was about how all clubs will have to get their season over by a certain date - the report was not about pembroke being all organised and Glenanne being chancers
This Decision effects all clubs, not just the mighty two, more importantly it effects all div 1 players.
The L Branch should have extended the league - primarily due to the averse weather we had recently.
To ask players, to play so many games in the remaining time limit is crazy and not player friendly. We must remember that its still an amateur sport, and players have work, college & Family commitments - let alone injuries.
A wrong decision and something should be done to stop this from happening next season
billy
"It is the policy of the Leinster Branch to give clubs who have reached the semi final stages of the IJC a postponement of their Senior Division 1 matches. I am therefore postponing the Division 1 matches from Saturday 20th March to Sunday 21st March, all matches to be played at 2.00pm."
part of an email sent on the 23rd feb 2010 sent to all clubs, including Clontarf.
why could clubs not be more organized, the season is long enough as it is.
if the branch extended it this would just happen every year, now we can learn from it and be more organized next year around fixtures
let it snow and then see what happens!!!!!!!
Do away with the leinster cup, the neville cup, and the senior interpro's. All of them serve no real purpose any more.
By doing this it would give teams a chance to focus on the league, IHL, and Senior Cup. The national team would be able to hold training weekends if they wished. And if any fixtures had to be pushed to another date then there would be weekends available to do so.
was Queso not on here in Jan saying Rovers had played double the fixtures Glens had. how do they still have 4 left then? have they not played a league game since Jan or something? Not stirring just asking!!!
If points go to rovers your punishing YMCA also....
You didnt really think that through mate...
"Do away with the leinster cup, the neville cup, and the senior interpro's. All of them serve no real purpose any more.
By doing this it would give teams a chance to focus on the league, IHL, and Senior Cup. The national team would be able to hold training weekends if they wished. And if any fixtures had to be pushed to another date then there would be weekends available to do so."
That leaves clubs who maybe mid table ex. fingal. with very small chances of winning silverware.
As with doing away with the interpros. Possibly what they could do is play them during may. I presume Ireland Internationals are not elegible for the Snr Interpro's.
As for glenanne. no effort seemed to be made in making up the fixtures. where as PWHC played several weeks where they played two matches.
One important factor that has caused more fixtures for Glenanne and Rovers to be postponed (and hence have more fixtures yet to be played than other clubs) is that their home pitches are more susceptible to frost than other Division 1 grounds.
The current unsatisfactory situation undermines the reputation of Leinster hockey and is unfair to amateur players and clubs. Rather than attributing blame we should devote more time to making sure such a situation does not arise again.
We have now had 2 successive seasons where cold weather has caused widspread cancellations in Jan/Feb and we should probably anticipate that this could happen again.
Suggestions might include
1. a free weekend in mid Feb which allows backlog matches to be scheduled at a time when more suitable to spectators and players than midweek evenings
2. a free weekend after the end of the season so that if necessary the season could be extended by a week without disrupting other scheduled games (ISC Interpros IHL etc)
3. Both of these cause the season to be extended either at the start or the end but this should not be too much to ask i the circumstances.
I think the branch should come up with something pretty soon, I can see Clubs getting annoyed and end up not caring about any Lenister cups or league.
Everyone wants either the IHL or ISC now, I can just see clubs no bothering anymore with the Leinster competitions anymore.
They have to lower the number of teams in Div 1
January Break or have the indoor in Jan
Bring back the social side of Hockey
If TRR and St Marks are so susceptible to snow and frost then why are corinthians not backlogged? Corinthians have played as many rounds as them in the ISC and IHL. Not really a valid excuse that one pitch is more liable to freeze than others.
I have 3 games this weekend. 2 Div 1 games and an IJC game. One week later we have a 3 week break before IHL. I think the volunteers in the branch do a great job but to be honest.....what's the rush? Why does the season have to end so soon?
The three week break is not ideal for our top sides heading into ISC and IHL. They will prob end up organising friendlies against eachother to maintain match fitness.
I think that Pembroke have been playing double weekends (drawing a Sunday match against YMCA). Can the Glens get the results? It all evens it's self out...as I said earlier though....why the rush!?
It's more enjoyable playing in the sun. Why don't we play from Sept to Nov, break for indoor league til 1st of March and then finish the season around early May.
Ease the problem, get rid if the inter-pros they are a waste of time. Not sure if any of the squads can actually train due to club fixtures and the clubs wanting their players to rest and avoid injury.
Its not too late, despite what the Branches say no one is really interested in this tournamant at all.
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