With the spate of finals currently taking place, and many of them going to strokes, one reader asked Ray for a clearer definition of what constitutes a legal penalty flick...The Query:
Hi Ray, with all these penalty stroke competitions in the past few weeks, it seems the method used to take a penalty has changed vastly. Some players seemed to take run-ups and others are able to generate some immense power. What has changed in recent times and what are you allowed do at penalty time? Also, what was the thinking behind the decision to change the original rules?
Ray's response:
I see from this week’s question, that there is a great misunderstanding about penalty strokes. I won’t go into why a PS is given, but I will go into how it should be taken. Also, I will at some other time go into what type of equipment a goalkeeper can/can’t were but for the purpose of this question I will assume that the goalkeeper is fully equipped.
Set-up
- A PS must not be taken until the umpire controlling the PS, blows their whistle.
. The Umpire must not start the PS until both people are ready (GK & stroke taker)
. The ball must be put on a spot 6.4mtr’s from goal line (for some of us 7 yard’s)
. GK on their goal line with both feet.
. Stroke taker behind the ball and within playing distance of the ball.
. The rest of the players should be outside the 23m line.
. When all above is in place whistle can be blown.
- A PS must not be taken until the umpire controlling the PS, blows their whistle.
. The Umpire must not start the PS until both people are ready (GK & stroke taker)
. The ball must be put on a spot 6.4mtr’s from goal line (for some of us 7 yard’s)
. GK on their goal line with both feet.
. Stroke taker behind the ball and within playing distance of the ball.
. The rest of the players should be outside the 23m line.
. When all above is in place whistle can be blown.
Taking the PS
- The GK must not move their feet until the ball is played.
- The stroke taker must not feint when taking the PS.
- A player must not hit the ball
. A Hit, (Striking the ball using a swinging movement of the stick towards the ball)
. Dragging the ball is not allowed.
- The type of shot that is allowed
. A Push, (Place the stick close to the ball and push the ball along the ground the ball and the stick must stay in contact.)
. A flick , (Pushing the ball so that is comes off the ground)
. A Scoop, (Placing the stick under the ball and lifting the ball)
- The GK must not move their feet until the ball is played.
- The stroke taker must not feint when taking the PS.
- A player must not hit the ball
. A Hit, (Striking the ball using a swinging movement of the stick towards the ball)
. Dragging the ball is not allowed.
- The type of shot that is allowed
. A Push, (Place the stick close to the ball and push the ball along the ground the ball and the stick must stay in contact.)
. A flick , (Pushing the ball so that is comes off the ground)
. A Scoop, (Placing the stick under the ball and lifting the ball)
Defending the PS
- IF the GK moves before the ball is played. (GK should be cautioned)
. If a goal is scored it must be allowed to stand.
. If the GK makes a save the PS must be re-taken.
· If the GK commits any other infringement that stops a goal from being scored, a penalty goal must be awarded.
- IF the GK moves before the ball is played. (GK should be cautioned)
. If a goal is scored it must be allowed to stand.
. If the GK makes a save the PS must be re-taken.
· If the GK commits any other infringement that stops a goal from being scored, a penalty goal must be awarded.
10 comments:
so the player must be WITHIN playing distance of the ball when addressing the stroke. so i ask the question of how does the new style of stroke taking not bend these rules, as in fully break them??? certain players now take a run up, therefore not in playing distance of the ball. surely if the keeper is penalised for moving before the ball is played, then the stroke-taker must be penalised for not being within playing distance?
Ray that is why you are one of the best you keep it very simple. enjoy your piece every week keep it up. If I can understand it so should everybody. thanks, a hockey lover.
Playing distance means being able to touch the ball with your stick.
Since it's quite clear you are talking about Butsy, his technique is completely legal. He can touch the ball and does not strike the ball.
I take it pepole are refering to Butler's recent strokes.
He is behind the ball and within playing distance (can touch the ball with his stick)
He then moves to the side in a semi circle movement, at all times within touching distance and then plays the ball.
Whats the issue?
Well what do you consitute playing distance? the lenght of a stick? I would think that you are perfectly capable of playing the ball from two or three steps away, and i haven't seen any players taking any more of "run up" than this.
The issue is he slap hits the ball!!if strokes were to be taken like this surely players like conor harte would be slapping all of pembrokes flicks
can a keeper take a stroke?
I don’t think Butler slaps them. I just think that there is so much power in his push that it may sound like a slap, that’s probably what’s confusing you. Sort of like how some umps blow the odd tackle just because it sounded bad and they didn't have a clear view but the tackle was actually good...
Also if you look at the rule:
- A Push, (Place the stick close to the ball and push the ball along the ground the ball and the stick must stay in contact.)
From what I saw Butler doesn't drag his stick along the ground over a distance outside the keyword 'close' beforehand which would then constitute a slap.
He places stick close to ball, not touching it, and in the very few centimetres distance so much energy is generated that it makes a slapping noise. You may or may not have the same amount of power but try it yourself some time at training...
I think it’s great to see such an interesting technique being used.
Last time I saw a significant change of stroke technique was by a player during the European Championships in Belfield '96. One of the German (I think?) stroke takers had an unusual style where they would address the ball at a crouch, then when whistle blown they stand tall on right leg with left foot touching their ass and then step into the ball and push/flick it. This was very controversial at the time as some thought it constituted a feint, but then and even now a lot of players use it including a very impressionable young lad like I was.
I think you will probably see a lot of younger players copying Butler’s technique in the near future because it’s flashy and entertaining.
looks like we'll have a lot of retakes then seeing as Butler was warned by the umpire not to repeat the same stroke or it wouldn't stand as a goal,so,so much for this ridiculous notion- "in the very few centimetres distance so much energy is generated that it makes a slapping noise"!!
Well 12:29PM, if that really is your name...just putting out my opinion based on what I have seen. Why not try your best to be constructive and lend your opinion, currently all your posts have been oozing sour grapes.
TBH I didn't see the particular incident your talking about, but surely if it was deemed a slap or invalid stroke by the two umpires they would have delared it a no goal? IYO why do you think they warned him not to repeat same stroke again or made him retake it?
Also Ray, another question on original Post, how is a double tap identified? Just by sound?
What if stroke taker takes the stroke before the whistle is blown?
What if stroke taker or GK is unexpectedly interupted after whistle is blown by a cramp or sweat in the eyes or the likes?
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